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Predictable Scale (Part II) --- Farseer: A Refined Scaling Law in LLMs

Houyi Li, Wenzhen Zheng, Qiufeng Wang, Zhenyu Ding, Haoying Wang, Zili Wang, Shijie Xuyang, Ning Ding

Abstract

Training Large Language Models (LLMs) is prohibitively expensive, creating a critical scaling gap where insights from small-scale experiments often fail to transfer to resource-intensive production systems, thereby hindering efficient innovation. To bridge this, we introduce Farseer, a novel and refined scaling law offering enhanced predictive accuracy across scales. By systematically constructing a model loss surface $L(N,D)$, Farseer achieves a significantly better fit to empirical data than prior laws (e.g., \Chinchilla's law). Our methodology yields accurate, robust, and highly generalizable predictions, demonstrating excellent extrapolation capabilities, outperforming Chinchilla's law, whose extrapolation error is 433\% higher. This allows for the reliable evaluation of competing training strategies across all $(N,D)$ settings, enabling conclusions from small-scale ablation studies to be confidently extrapolated to predict large-scale performance. Furthermore, Farseer provides new insights into optimal compute allocation, better reflecting the nuanced demands of modern LLM training. To validate our approach, we trained an extensive suite of approximately 1,000 LLMs across diverse scales and configurations, consuming roughly 3 million NVIDIA H100 GPU hours. To foster further research, we are comprehensively open-sourcing all code, data, results (https://github.com/Farseer-Scaling-Law/Farseer), all training logs (https://wandb.ai/billzid/Farseer?nw=nwuserbillzid), all models used in scaling law fitting (https://huggingface.co/Farseer-Scaling-Law).

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BibTeX
@inproceedings{
li2025predictable,
title={Predictable Scale (Part {II}) --- Farseer: A Refined Scaling Law in {LLM}s},
author={Houyi Li and Wenzhen Zheng and Qiufeng Wang and Zhenyu Ding and Haoying Wang and Zili Wang and Shijie Xuyang and Ning Ding and Shuigeng Zhou and Xiangyu Zhang and Daxin Jiang},
booktitle={The Thirty-ninth Annual Conference on Neural Information Processing Systems},
year={2025},
url={https://openreview.net/forum?id=2Gnp8sdwVe}
}